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Don’t look for a “Welcome ‘Behind the Curtain’ Part 1”  This is a continuation of my girlfriend’s Welcome “Behind the Curtain” from her blog Jersey Girl Gets Real. You should read it. It’s about Rosh Hashanah services. This is about services at my church. Just an average Sunday at Greater Works Ministries.

Growing up going to church meant it was Easter or Christmas. Mom was a Methodist and Dad was Catholic. Grandma Himelright would have loved for me to go to Saint Agnes every Sunday, but neither Mom or Dad were that focused.  Dad worked 6 days a week and Sunday was his day off.  But when we did go it was very simple, in and out all in about an hour. 

Catholics have a very formulated and ritualized service. Everything has a preciously controlled time and way of doing things.  There is little variation and the homily is the only “free form” part of the service.  And you get a snack (aka communion) at every service – assuming you’ve been to confession.  Methodist are a less rigid but still they have a set order to their services. Snacks are once a month.  In both you walk to the alter to get communion and the offering plate is passed around by ushers.

In 2003 my Beloved & I bought a house form the Nortons that was the original meeting place of Christ Temple Church.  Pop Norton would stop by the house about every 6 months and invite us down to the church.  In August 2006 we finally went to a service at Christ Temple, which is now called Greater Works Ministries (GWM).  Having never been to a Pentecostal/Apostolic service – it was quite an eye opener.  We still go to GWM and here’s how a typical service goes.  If you want to see a typical service watch TD Jakes (The Potter’s Touch) on one of the religious channels.  Our services are similar – just smaller.

First everyone is either Sister or Brother. Or if they hold a position, Deacon, Elder, Pastor – you use their title.  So I am Sister Tacie, which makes me giggle.  Service starts at 10:45 – approximately. We sing a song or 2 – normally 1. Then we have a prayer and a scripture reading. This runs about 20 minutes or so. Next we have Praise & Worship (P&W), which is singing.  P&W can last anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour depending on the number of songs sung and/or who’s leading P&W.  Next comes the sermon… except we don’t call it a sermon. It can last from 20 minutes to an hour and a 1/2 depending on who the speaker is, what the message is and/or how the congregation reacts.  Speaking in tongues is not uncommon. Next comes Alter Call (AC). This is when you go to the alter for an individual blessing. This can last 10 minutes to 45 minutes  (sometimes more) depending on how many people want a blessing, if everyone is blessed as a group or individually, and if anyone has an issue that is released. Then comes the offering.  Most times we have 1 offering, occasionally we have 2.  After the offering comes the reading of the upcoming events and other events that we are invited to participate in. Then comes dismissal.  Also Pastor Avery doesn’t stand in the back and greet everyone as they leave, because honestly everyone doesn’t just file out of the church after service.  We move around in the sanctuary and greet each other, so it’s easier for the Pastor to move around the sanctuary to greet people. Service runs anywhere from and hour and a 1/2 to 3 hours.  Sometimes even longer.

Communion and the offering are completely opposite from the Catholic/Methodist way.  For the offering you take your money to the alter – which is where the baskets are held.  We also don’t use plates – we have baskets.  Communion is also backward. Our communion is delivered.  And it is given at Pastor’s discretion and at the holiday’s.  The Deacon’s and Elders lead the communion and there are a group of ladies that assist.  There are special trays that hold the communion wine or grape juice (for the kids or those who don’t want wine) in these cute little cups. First they pass the communion wafer and then they come back with the wine.  Pastor or one of the Elders gives the blessing and then we snack and another blessing and we drink.  And then the ladies come back around with the trash can.

Speaking in tongues – this is interesting.  I wasn’t sure about it – was it real or were people just pretending? Our first visit there was a woman who was speaking in tongues. One of our congregants speaks in tongues on a regular basis.  It’s not just a quick babble either. She can go on for quite a while.  And no she’s not crazy or demented. She is a very normal employed mother of 3.  She is just blessed with the ability to speak this language and prophesize about our church.  Knowing the lady that speaks in tongues – yes, it’s real. Her recent message has been interesting. She’s spoken the same message twice. Although I don’t understand the words, the words were the same and the tone was the same.

Another great thing about our church is … most people are related to one another.  They are either sisters or brothers or aunt or uncles or grandparent or in-laws or cousins.  David & I have been adopted.  It is “a come as you are” church.  If you wear your best clothes or your old jeans you will be welcomed. It’s prefered, if you can, to have you put on your finest. It’s also realized it’s more important for your butt to be in the pew than what is covering said butt. We have 2 of our senior ladies ALWAYS wear a hat to service. Mother McMillan would not be caught without her hat. And she has some of the COOLEST hats!  

When David & I first went to GWM we were greeted like we belonged. It was one of the warmest receptions I’ve received.  Remember David & I knew Pop Norton, and vaguely knew his one daughter Catherine.  That was it.  We felt right at home.  This is a credit to our Usher’s.  Every guest is greated at the Sanctuary door by an Usher and is escorted to a seat.  We have awesome Usher’s. They are very professional and are one of the whole reasons David & I went back to GWM.  As a testament to their abilities, they have been asked to help with services at other churches. 

From Wikipedia: Pentecostalism is a renewal movement within Christianity that places special emphasis on a direct personal experience of God through the baptism in the Holy Spirit.[1] The term Pentecostal is derived from Pentecost, a Greek term describing the Jewish Feast of Weeks. For Christians, this event commemorates the descent of the Holy Spirit upon the followers of Jesus Christ, as described in the second chapter of the Book of Acts.[2] Pentecostals tend to see their movement as reflecting the same kind of spiritual power, worship styles and teachings that were found in the early church. For this reason, some Pentecostals also use the term Apostolic or full gospel to describe their movement.

This is my final bit on The Exodus Decoded on the History Channel. One of the frequent comments left on Chris Heard’s website was that because he was pointing out Simcha’s errors/oversights/manipulations he has no faith and he was making the blog and the program all about the science. Actally Chris was just dealing with Simcha’s stated beliefs/observations that the 10 plagues could be proven be science. Simcha took God out of the Biblical 10 plagues, not Chris.

My question is why can’t we come up with a scientific explanations for God’s creations? If God uses the Earth to send us a message… should we take that message less seriously? No, of course not. Think back to a place and time when you could have been in the middle of a great tragedy, but weren’t because you decided to go the other way. Or even missed a huge traffic jam because you went home a way that you is normally off your route. Why did these things happen? A subtle push by a Divine hand of which you aren’t aware? But just because it’s scientific doesn’t mean it’s not divine. But then again on the other hand… just because it’s a big earth quake or tsunami doesn’t mean there’s a reason behind it. It could just be the earth stretching. It a fine line to be sure. Science isn’t always the answer. It may, in time, be able to explain many things in the Bible, but I don’t think it will ever explain everything. Which is ok in my opinion. The Bible is about faith, not science.

Will we ever find the reasons behind the 10 plagues? Maybe, but we probably won’t. Which, in my opinion, is fine. The Bible is about faith, not science. I think the Bible is a collection of stories that teach us to be better people. Are they real? It’s hard to imagine a 900 year old man doing anything but being a mummy. In a time when the average lifespan was 25, even a person 75 would have out lived 2 generations! So maybe… just maybe… some things are exaggerated. Slowly the archeology is catching up with the Bible. That’s science, isn’t it?

Not all things in life should be explained, even if it’s just a simple card trick. It’s about keeping a sense of wonder at the glories we have given to us every day. Look at a sunrise or a sunset or a rainbow. We can explain them with science. Does that make them any less amazing or beautiful? Not to me. It’s God taking his paint brush and painting us a daily reminder of how good life is.

Never mind that slowly we are able to define miracles in scientific terms. Does the knowledge of how a baby is formed make the actual delivery of a living breathing moving human (or animal) any less miraculous? I don’t think so. Here are some of the things that I am questioning about Simcha Jacobovici’s conclusions that Chris Heard didn’t touch on.

Plague 1 – Water to Blood. Simcha uses Lake Nyos, Cameroon as his example of this. “geophysicist George Kling explains the Cameroon phenomenon as high concentrations of iron in the deep waters at the bottom of the Lake Nyos bubbling up to the surface and reacting with oxygen in the air to form iron hydroxide. To put it crudely, the waters of Lake Nyos ‘rusted.'” Ok. Here’s my main problem with this… the movement of the water. Rivers flow, lakes eddy. I’m not geophysicist or a enviromentalist or any such person that studies water and it movement. But to my untrained brain it just doesn’t fly. Wouldn’t the ENTIRE Nile have to pass gas in order for it to turn “rust” long enough for the 2nd plague to happen? Wouldn’t the flow of the river take the containated water away? In order for this to happen, wouldn’t the gas release have to be like a very large oil spill contaminating 100’s and 100’s of miles of river? We’re not talking about a little body of water here. It just doesn’t make that much sence to me.

Ok. Someone goes over this point in the comments. And I am following the same logic. Ok. that was the only thing Chris missed that I saw as important. He covered everything else. I found his critiques helpful in forming complete conclusions. Or as complete as possible. Simcha would present a point, gloss over the supporting evidence, call it fact and use this conclusion to support the next point. Chris took these point by point, looked at the supporting evidence, when he could find it, did his own research as necessary and gave the bits that Simcha glossed over or completely ignored because they didn’t support his conclusions.

I’m not one to mind the refudiation of traditional scientific theories. I think new ideas are good. But if you present new ideas as fact, as Simcha does, with flimsy and cobbled together “evidence” I do have a problem.

Initially watching ED I was ready to believe. I was thrilled that maybe there was a link between Thera and the Biblical Plagues. But then “evidence started dropping into place to quickly and too neatly. And I was disappointed to find that Simcha’s own expert could only find 40 grains of ash in his much larger sample – thus nullifing Simcha’s argument that Thera was the cause of the darkness plague. Simcha’s own expert refudiated one of Simcha’s claims. I will admit disappointment. I really wanted Thera to be the root if the 10 plagues.

One of my main concerns, which Dr. Heard does not address, probably because Simcha doesn’t as well, are the 2 cities mentioned in Exodus 1:11 (my verse may be off just slightly). They are Pithom and Ramses. Why does Simcha ignore these 2 very obvious clues? Because, if my history is correct, these 2 cities date to the wrong Pharoh. They date to the generally accepted Exodus Pharoh … d’uh, it’s pretty obvious … Rameses. Thus blowing Simcha assertion that the time line needs to be revamped. I found that if the given clues or facts didn’t fit with his theory, Simcha glossed over them, ignored them, or took snippets from them to support his conclusions.

Take the time to read Chris Heard’s blog. Take the time to read TheExodusDecoded.com – if you can get it to come up (I’ve been trying for 2 days and I keeping getting the same error). Make your own conclusions. But make sure your conclusions are based on the facts available (the Bible, the historical evidence, and the archeological evidence) not just the hype of a good story and a slick (and very well done) presentation.

Also one other thing that I have to say something about, even though Chris does a great job of debunking the theory. It’s Joseph’s seal. There is no way on God’s green earth (be it Pharoh’s gods or Joseph’s (and my) God) Pharoh would allow Joseph to use his father’s name as Pharoh’s seal of authority. It would be Pharoh’s name or symbol. And maybe, and this is a long shot, it would have been Joseph’s name or symbol. I work for a local government, and I know how “weird” our officials can get about signatures and the seal. It’s all about the power these thing represent, and this is a democracy. I can only image what Pharoh would have been like, when his ability to control the power was all that kept him in “office” a times. Total control – which leads back to Joseph and the seal. There is no was it could have been anything other than Pharoh’s name or symbol.

Let me repeat. Watch with a skeptical eye, read with a skeptical eye, and most of all learn as much as possible from the experts and the ameutur’s. Learn, learn, learn. Use you brain. If something seems too good to be true, maybe it is.

I just finished watching the Exodus Decoded, on the History Channel by James Cameron and Simcha Jacobovici. I didn’t realize it was originally aired in 2006.  I thought it was a new program.  But since switching to Verizon from DirecTV (I loved DirecTV and will most likely go back at some point) I’ve lost the ability to know what the original air dates are of programs.  It’s one of my major complaints… but I digress.  I was going to write up my thoughts on Exodus Decoded, but a professor Dr. Chris Heard did it for me. I haven’t finished reading his take … it’s long … but here’s the link. http://www.heardworld.com/higgaion/?page_id=119 

He’s basic reason for doing this is sound. Simcha is a journalist, not a scholar.  He’s actually quite an accomplished film maker.  Chris is a scholar, not a journalist.  In presenting the show the way he did Simcha took liberties and stretched things where he needed to – a common activity for journalist.  Anyway.  I’m going to finish reading the blog and get a bit of biblical lesson along the way.  More later.

Oh, and what I thought was kind of interesting is Simcha’s rebuttal’s to Chris critiques.  I find it very interesting that Chris included Simcha’s comments on his blog and actually encouraged reads to go to the comments and read them.  It’s up to us the reader to decide who has the more persuasive argument.